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#76   Yesterday, 7:04 pm

Isaiah45_9 Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: June 23, 2011 Posts: 1,596 Religion: Católico

Re: Once saved, always saved? Quote: Originally Posted by aemcpa Watered down Scotch? *Google translate* Oh, Scotch on the rocks. Yes, but I put a little cold water to make the ice last. Still had some rum, so I'm having a rome (freudian slip, lol) rum and coke with a dash of lemon instead. Sorry for blowing up at you. __________________ Jose All that is not done for Christ's sake, even though it be good, brings neither reward in the future life nor the grace of God in this life. That is why our Lord Jesus Christ said: He who does not gather with Me scatters (Luke 11:23). St. Seraphim of Sarov

#77   Yesterday, 7:10 pm

aemcpa Regular Member   Join Date: November 22, 2012 Posts: 2,610 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Once saved, always saved? Quote: Originally Posted by Isaiah45_9 Yes, but I put a little cold water to make the ice last. Still had some rum, so I'm having a rome (freudian slip, lol) rum and coke with a dash of lemon instead. Sorry for blowing up at you. Sorry for confusing you with a fundamentalist Protestant. Enjoy your beverages.

#78   Today, 6:36 am

RaiseMeUp New Member   Join Date: June 29, 2013 Posts: 95 Religion: Catholic

Re: Once saved, always saved? 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[b] a slave to the law of sin. (Romans 7: 15-25) Having a debate this morning with a Pentecostal - This was his main support for the fact that one can not lose their salvation. Although I provided other scripture that proves otherwise, I was regarded to as reading the scripture out of it's context. So can anyone help with this and suggest a way I can approach and show otherwise??

#79   Today, 7:20 am

wbradl Trial Membership   Join Date: August 1, 2013 Posts: 15 Religion: catholic

Re: Once saved, always saved? I just have to throw this out [sorry about the caps,but i'm a lousey typist]. Grace is a free gift of gods. It is a hard thing to understand,we do not recieve many free gifts here. Now a free gift can not be earned,or merited,most folks understand this! But how many times do we hear,its a free gift but you must accept it,,,,when you say that you have imposed a condition!!!the error light just went on. Heres a totaly free gift.. You are running in a marathon,,its hot,and you pass a water stand,the attendant comes trackside and throws a bucket o refreshing water on you. You did not ask for the water,nor was their any condition imposed,it was freely given,no strings attached.......think about ..................................willia m bradl

#80   Today, 10:01 am

Isaiah45_9 Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: June 23, 2011 Posts: 1,596 Religion: Católico

Re: Once saved, always saved? Quote: Originally Posted by RaiseMeUp 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[b] a slave to the law of sin. (Romans 7: 15-25) Having a debate this morning with a Pentecostal - This was his main support for the fact that one can not lose their salvation. Although I provided other scripture that proves otherwise, I was regarded to as reading the scripture out of it's context. So can anyone help with this and suggest a way I can approach and show otherwise?? You can ask him if he is claiming to know the mind of God. __________________ Jose All that is not done for Christ's sake, even though it be good, brings neither reward in the future life nor the grace of God in this life. That is why our Lord Jesus Christ said: He who does not gather with Me scatters (Luke 11:23). St. Seraphim of Sarov

#81   Today, 11:30 am

Gorgias Regular Member   Join Date: December 26, 2011 Posts: 2,414 Religion: Catholic

Re: Once saved, always saved? Quote: Originally Posted by wbradl But how many times do we hear,its a free gift but you must accept it,,,,when you say that you have imposed a condition!!!the error light just went on. As I mentioned earlier, the gift of a puppy is a totally free gift; yet, when one accepts it, one likewise accepts the obligation of caring properly for the gift. Quote: Heres a totaly free gift.. You are running in a marathon,,its hot,and you pass a water stand,the attendant comes trackside and throws a bucket o refreshing water on you. You did not ask for the water,nor was their any condition imposed,it was freely given,no strings attached. That's not a gift, that's an assault! Seriously, though: a gift is something freely given and freely received -- if you didn't assent to the 'gift' of the impromptu shower, then it's not a gift! Rather, it's something that was imposed upon you, in violation of your ability to use your free will and choose to accept or reject it! Grace doesn't work like that -- God doesn't impose any of His gifts on us!